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Fan fiction pet peeves

I've been reading a lot of fan fiction, lately, and spending time over at the Mugglenet forums, and thus running into a number of pet peeves. This is going to be a very opinionated post, and I would like to state for the record that I believe ALL of these things could conceivably be done well. However, I find that these are, for the most part, basic assumptions that people don't question... and there's no real proof to any of them. In other words, they're treated as though they're undeniable, instead of having the necessary background explanation. So, onto the list:

Pet Peeve #1. You have to really hate someone in order to cast an Unforgivable, and specifically Avada Kedavra

Supposed proof of this:

1. Bellatrix, in talking about the Cruciatus Curse, comments that righteous anger won't do the trick. She says you have to mean them (Unforgivables in general) and for a successful Cruciatus Curse, you have to want to cause someone pain. This has been used because wanting to cause someone pain would require that you hate them.

Refutatation: She never uses the word hatred. She says that with Unforgivable Curses, you have to mean them. She says that to cast the Cruciatus Curse, you have to truly want to cause pain.

The Cruciatus Curse is a pain/torture curse. To truly mean to cause someone pain/torture someone is *exactly* the same as truly *wanting* to cause them pain.

Ergo: For the Imperius Curse, you must truly want to control someone. For the Killing Curse, you must truly want to kill someone.

2. Snape's expression of hatred and revulsion when he casts Avada Kedavra

Refutation: Just because Snape hated Dumbledore (or himself?) at that moment does not mean that it's a required element. Some blonds take French. That doesn't mean you have to be blond in order to take French.

Pet Peeve #2: Peter's silver hand and the death of a werewolf (Remus or Greyback):

One of the reasons this one is a pet peeve is that there are two meanings of the word "silver":

A colour.

A metal.

Harry sees Peter get a "silver" hand. He sees it. Thus, we're talking about the *colour* here, not the metal. He did not test it to find out if it's truly silver metal. The "silver knife" required for Potions, on the other hand, clearly refers to the metal.

The other reason this is a pet peeve is that werewolves in Rowling's world may not have any reaction to silver as opposed to other metals. Just because that's one element of the general werewolf mythos doesn't mean it is true for Potterverse werewolves. Just as a revulsion to garlic in the the general vampire mythos doesn't immediately mean that Buffy vampires have that problem.

Pet Peeve #3: Peter, the idiot

While on the topic of Peter Pettigrew, this one really irritates me. Peter may not have been "on the same level" as James and Sirius, according to McGonagall, but he's NOT an idiot. Idiots do not learn how to become Animagi. Idiots do not change allegiance and betray their friends while managing to keep the trust of said friends to the point of being designated the most trustworthy Secret Keeper. Idiots do not manage to fake their deaths and survive after framing their former best friends for mass murder. We need to remember that McGonagall herself was talking at a time when she thought that Sirius had killed Peter, and not the other way around. Peter is very smart. It would be best not to underestimate him.

Pet Peeve #4: Snape being called "dear boy", "Sevvie"

It makes sense for Dumbledore to call Harry "dear boy". Harry is his student and not yet of age.

It is completely insane to think Dumbledore would refer to *any* of his faculty members as "dear boy". It is equally absurd to think that Snape, of all people, would not protest this. So, in stories where Dumbledore calls Snape "dear boy", I at least want Snape to explain why and how he accepts this.

He would also object, strongly, to being called "Sevvie". I could see it being used as an insult, say by Lucius or Voldemort, and he'd probably bite the bullet, but in a romantic relationship -- never. That would be an absolute deal breaker... unless it had some sort of history that's explained within the story.

Pet Peeve #5: General OOC without explanation/illustration of how that came to be:

Fluffy Snape. Submissive (only) Hermione. These are two of my personal characterization changes that I dislike. Or rather, I dislike them when they're presented without any explanation. I can imagine things that could cause them to change in that way, but for goodness sake, SHOW me how they developed into that from their canon self, even if it's just saying it was something that was always there that the rest of the world (i.e. Harry) never knew.

That's it for now. I'll admit that the Unforgivable one is the biggest. I *hate* that one. If I could, I would curse it into nonexistence.

Comments

It's good to have a good old rant now and again, isn't it?
I agree with point one - the most important thing here is intent, not hatred or any other emotion. I think, though, that Severus would have had to summon up some sort of reason for killing Dumbledore (assuming he's on the side of the light) and hatred of the situation he was in would be that.
Peter and the wolf - well, JKR has stated that the silver/werewolf is a nice idea, but erroneous. So, we can discount that.
I also agree on Peter's cleverness - though why he became such a loyal Death Eater (enough to help in bringing Voldie back) isn't really clear. I expect his life debt to Harry will play a part, though, in DH.
I don't think the 'dear boy' appellation is insane. I can see Dumbledore using it as a term of affection (not publicly) with Severus as he is still very young to him. It's an ordinary term of endearment - in Britain, anyway. 'Sevvie', though, *shudders*
I don't like OOcness either. Severus in not fluffy, but people are allowed to act a bit soppy if they're in love - him included, but only in private. Submissive Hermione is also one of my pet hatreds. I think in this ship it's seen as the only way of getting them together - make her a doormat, force her to marry him etc. Really annoying - not to mention a lazy plot device.
My all time pet peeve is 'graduation' and 'graduation balls' We graduate from University in Britain, not school. Once you finish your exams, you leave, go down the pub and celebrate anyway you like. There are no 'graduation balls' or anything organised by the school.
I'm sure I could think up a few more given time, but I need a caffeine fix, so I'll stop there.
I'm not sure why Peter would have become a Death Eater, either, and that's definitely one of those interesting mysteries. He does say that V. would have killed him, and we've seen what that did to Draco, but whether or not Peter was lying then or not is not clear. He wasn't really given much of a chance to talk at the end of Chamber of Secrets.

I also don't really *mind* fluffy Snape or the dear boy thing, or even submissive Hermione, for that matter... as long as it's *addressed* by the writer, and not just thrown in as if assumed to just be the way things are. I feel like people have just read these things in other stories and forget that there's no real basis for them in the actual books. Unlike someone else on a forum who was very vehement that something like this could NEVER be done well, that's not what I'm saying. I'm just saying please say how it came to be.

Oh, and I'm with you on the graduation/graduation ball thing. They've already got the Leaving Feast! Plus, we've seen people who have left (Percy), and they never said anything about a ball, so even those who don't know about British traditions should be able to figure that out.

And of course, there's the ever popular Head Dorms pet peeve and the Yule Ball one, but I don't read any of the pairings that use that plot device, since Snape was never Head Boy and I pretty much only read Snape. Besides, enough people talk about that one that I feel I don't really need to.
Oh, I forgot something:

It's good to hear that J. K. Rowling shot down the silver hand/Lupin thing. I don't really follow those, and aside from the rumours that she shoots down deliberately, her comments are sometimes hard to read and can be misleading, so I try to avoid them somewhat... the biggest confusing one being why Snape never got the Dark Arts job -- she implied he'd be too tempted to *do* Dark Arts... but wouldn't he be *more* tempted to do them while hanging out with Death Eaters spying? Seriously - if Dumbledore trusts him to be a spy, why would he have a problem with a *teaching job* at *Hogwarts*? Especially now that we know the position is literally cursed. What she actually said is that it would bring out the worst in him... and I wonder what that meant... could it have been that D. knew he wasn't going to give him the job unless he was going to have to kill him... or is the position also cursed to make people into their worst selves, somehow (I'm thinking that Lupin wouldn't normally *forget* his potion, here, Quirrell and Crouch were already evil, Umbridge? That leaves Lockhart, who tried to Obliviate two of his *students*)? Long tangent, sorry.
Yep - she refuted on her website in the 'rumours' section - 'Peter Pettigrew's silver hand will be used to kill Remus Lupin' - reply 'Nice idea, clearly predicated on the legend that only a silver bullet can kill a werewolf - but incorrect.'
And the Yule Ball - I'm pretty sure I got the impression it was a rare event - in honour of the guests for the tri-wizard thing - not an annual occurrence.
Dada - there wouldn't be much point in Dumbledore giving it to him if he knew he'd only last one year, would there? Also, Snape was 'good at Potions' - don't let me get started on the whole 'Potions Master' thing.
Yes - Yule Ball is a rare event, but a pet peeve of many is that authors will have it happening regularly. And I completely agree about Dumbledore giving him that position if it would only be for a year. That's why I think her comment of "it would bring out the worst in him" is misleading. I also agree about potions. Despite the fact that he wants the DADA job (at least publicly), he clearly is good at potions and also clearly *likes* potions (first year speech: someone who disliked them never would have spoken that way about the subject). And no, let's *not* get started on the Potions Master thing...
Didn't it say rather clearly that the position was cursed? I think Dumbledore kept Snape out of the position until D. knew Snape would leave Hogwarts anyway. I don't think it was a matter of trust. And I DO think Snape had other motivations than Lily, but that her death was the event that tipped him away from the Death Eaters. Because Snape was a very smart and ambitious man.

(And it bothered me SO much how predictable the ending was. Harry had to die, but Rowling couldn't bear to kill him off... So he died and was brought back. And no, Harry isn't strong enough for moral struggles. I love the books, but I hate Harry.)
*grins* Yes, it did. However, many of the fans continued to believe that the reason Snape didn't get the position was because Dumbledore didn't trust him.

The two things:

1. The position was cursed

2. Why didn't Snape get the position?

never seemed to connect in their heads. *rolls eyes* Especially since the way J. K. Rowling worded her answer to a particular question made it seem that it was clearly an issue of trust (hence my not trusting her interviews).

I'm still irritated about Lily. I agree that he probably did have other motivations, BUT, I still think the story would have been better if he hadn't had such an easy out... I don't think this is in my "too easy" essay, since, well, that was mostly about her being too easy on Harry.
Whoops. I'm Vorona... this is my writing account :) Sorry for any confusion.
And drat! I *still* forgot the thing I was going to say about Peter. Part of that was anticipatory: I'm just waiting for people to start saying that he's going to kill Greyback in his fulfilling the life debt thing. Because he has a "silver" hand... Again, it's fine if they make it clear that in their story, werewolves *do* have a problem with silver AND if they make it clear that the hand is really the metal silver and not just the colour silver.
*claps*
*grins* Thanks!
I agree with you on the general OOCness, and Peter the Idiot.
I don't like Peter as it is as a character, but I never thought of him as an idiot. I think he's just misunderstood as a character, after all, he was able to turn into an Animagus wasn't he? =]
I don't know if I like Peter or not. I find it really intriguing that the two people sharing Spinner's End both have life debts to Potters, and I'm not entirely convinced that that was Voldemort's idea...

Also the big "scene" of insulting Peter and sending him squealing away seems very reminicent of the way Snape treated Harry in front of Draco Malfoy during the Occlumency lessons. Especially since we know Peter can be quiet and return down those stairs to continue listening. I could see that as potentially just being a protective device on Snape's behalf in the case it was ever found out that Dumbledore knew things he wasn't supposed to know... well, it must have been Peter listening, because Snape would *never* betray Voldemort... But it could be something else, too. I think that Pettigrew *was* listening, and that Snape *knew* he was listening, and the scene was to make it appear to Bellatrix and Narcissa that he wasn't anymore. Snape is not stupid...